The Presocratic Philosophers

by John E. Raven, Geoffrey S. Kirk, G.S. Kirk, et al.

Book Overview

A history of the pre-Socratic philosophers, with selected writings and texts. This description may be from another edition of this product.

• Format: Paperback
• Language: English
• ISBN: 0521274559
• ISBN13: 9780521274555
• Release Date: February 1984
• Publisher: Cambridge University Press
• Length: 518 Pages
• Weight: 1.60 lbs.
• Dimensions: 1.3" x 6.0" x 8.8"

Customer Reviews

One-volume English-language anthology of early Greek thought

No, this is NOT the definitive collection of 'pre-Socratic' philosophical fragments. The definitive collection is, alas, still in the original Greek, to be found in the Diels-Kranz edition of "The Fragments of the Presocratics (Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker)." However, what Kirk, Raven and Schofield achieve in this 2nd edition is an anthology of the main pickings of that collection, with lots of illuminating commentary for those fragments that are singular or less than fragments and comparatively less commentary for those fragments that are more complete, thus helping to understand vocabulary and the philosophical thought in the context of ancient Greek times. From Anaximander's mysterious 'limitlessness' to Democritus and Leucippus's atoms, these are thoughts about the nature of existence that children innocently ask and adults would do well to reconsider-- they are great mind-exercisers, and make one appreciate not only modern scientific knowledge but the process through which it has advanced since the day Thales suggested that 'water' was the universal principle of (material) existence. I have yet to compare it to the 1st edition (1957); this 2nd edition (1983) supposedly takes into account the views of analytic philosophers in their studies of Presocratics like Pythagoras, Parmenides and Zeno, and does not look into the mystical link between ancient Greek religion and philosophy the way the 1st edition supposedly did (according to another book reviewer here). Hence, its incompleteness relative to the Greek compilation in Diels-Kranz's "Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker." The best supplementary readings to this anthology, for the light they shine on mystical-spiritual currents in pre-Socratic thought, are: 1- F.M. Cornford's "From Religion to Philosophy (1912)" and "Principium Sapientiae- The Origins of Greek Philosophical Thought (1952)." Cornford's perspective was that the rational thought of the pre-Socratics belonged on a continuum with the mythico-religious mentality of the wider Greek world. That perspective was inspired by the syncretic Classics/Anthropology studies of his colleague Jane Ellen Harrison, author of "Prolegomena to the Study of Greek Religion (1903)," "Themis (1912)," and "Epilegomena to the Study of Greek Religion (1921)." I was referred to Cornford as I read the last chapter of Jean-Pierre Vernant's "Myth and Thought Among the Greeks (1965)." 2- Werner Jaeger's "The Theology of the Early Greek Philosophers (1947)." Jaeger's work points toward the theological spirit of much of the pre-Socratics' speculations. 3- E.R. Dodds's "The Greeks and the Irrational (1951)." Dodds makes one understand that behind that famed speculative rationality lay a spiritual process in which the Greek mentality began its questing as a natural development from propitiatory cultural practices, such as shamanism, and their perceived effectiveness through force of habit.

On my third copy...

Still the definitive introduction to the Pre-Socratics. It works for the (enthusiastic) general reader as much as it does for the committed classicist, thanks to remarkably clear translations (and glosses) for the generalist and an excellently edited selection of the original texts, helped by one of the more readable fonts used for the Greek text (the typographers of this book deserve special praise). However, while the authors editors and typographers may be hugely impressive, the binders must be criticised for a volume that falls apart when read repeatedly. That's the only reason I'm on my third copy.

First Edition, My first professional Philosophy book

'The Presocratic Philosophers' edited by G. S. Kirk and J. E. Raven is, on a personal level, dear to me as it is the very first book I bought when I began studying philosophy as my major in college. This trade paperback cost but $3.95. For the philosophical amateurs who may have stumbled over this review while plowing through my cookbook reviews, the most dramatic aspect of this book is how little we actually have of what these great men who invented philosophy actually wrote. For the very first figure, Thales of Melitis (a town on the Asia Minor coast), we have practically nothing except second hand reports from Diogenes Laertius, Herodotus, Plutarch, and others. Also for amateurs is the great introductory essay on the difference between mythical cosmology and the beginnings of philosophy. If you happen to have a strong amateur interest in the history of ideas and can pick up an inexpensive early edition (I have one from 1962), I recommend you give this a look. For serious professionals, the most important aspect of this original text is the very scholarly presentation of the fragments in the original Greek with excellent translations and commentary on the sources.

The definitive collection of pre-socratic philosophy.

I first read Kirk and Raven's `Presocratic Philosophers' as an undergrad. I was being taught pre-socratic philosophy by a Cambridge Classical Greek philosopher. Since then it has become one of my favourite and most valuable philosophy texts. Kirk and Raven present us with all the credible `fragments' of presocratic philosophy as quoted in later philosophers. They present the original greek and a (most times) definitive english translation and analysis. Although, what I learned through my professor via Kirk and Raven is that you sift or decant yourself through these most ancient and profound fragments - more akin to an approach to the `I Ching' and poetry than contemporary analytic philosophy. Kirk and Raven present us with the `holy' text of western philosophy which never fails to produce the wonder of thinking - a true thinking that is rare and primordial. Even if you usually don't like reading philosophy, the presocratics are really `post-modern' and poetic in their fragmentary and oracular collages of meaning. T.S. Eliot's `The Four Quartets' is soaked with pre-socratic philosophy.The Pre-socratics deserve more attention because `all', and I mean all, of the basic philosophic and scientific positions are contained within these seeds of the western tradition.

RSK Presocratics

This is the standard english language academic text book on the Presocratic Philosophers in Ancient Greece. It broke hundreds of years of tradition by including Orpheus, Musaeus, Pherecydes etc. - 'philosophers' before the Ionian Physicists.