That Their Words May Be Used Against Them

by Henry M. Morris and Dina Nayeri

Book Overview

In sifting through the shifting sands of evolutionary thought, one can be forgiven for feeling tangled up in a plethora of conflicting statements. A very great secret kept from the public is that... This description may be from another edition of this product.

• Format: Hardcover
• Language: English
• ISBN: 0890512280
• ISBN13: 9780890512289
• Release Date: January 1998
• Publisher: Master Books
• Length: 500 Pages
• Weight: 3.15 lbs.
• Dimensions: 1.2" x 8.5" x 11.3"

Customer Reviews

This is a book of quotes only

This book contains only quotes, plus very short forwards, to each section. It does not include any commentary on the quotes. None. How can one claim that they are taken out of context? There is no context, only quotes alone. The book consists of quotes only plus the source! Nothing else. All quotes are from journals or books, and none are from personnel letters. Thus claims such as "Quotations taken out of context, edited to fit their meaning, taken from personal letters that are difficult to verify, or taken from minority opinions in the scientific field is what you can expect from this book" are irresponsible as is the claim that this book is "blatant quote mining, and removal from context to change meaning of quotes this book is rife with shows only the desire to lie. Anyone who reads it as anything other than a work of fiction is seriously misled... You will be surprised at the audacity of the author's intent to mislead". It is clear that neither of these reviewers read or even looked at the book they reviewed. Such conduct is one reason why I have become very distrustful of those who oppose Darwin Skeptics. This behavior is very unethical. Conversely the following is good advice: "Look the quotes up yourself, and read the entire context yourself". I did this with many of the quotes and concluded the quote context supported what I assumed was Dr. Morris's position although one can only assume this as, again, this book contains only quotes.

Stop the Whining

You clowns who keep crying 'quote-mining, quote-mining' should really get ahold of yourselves; you look foolish. This book is simply a collection of observations (or, horror of horrors, QUOTES!!!) that have appeared in the professional literature concerning the various fields of evolutionary study. Morris makes no pretense of trying to pass off the many sincere evolutionists he quotes as doubting the theory; they don't. He simply points out what the popular press and the scientific establishment would rather you not know: that there are profound areas of fundamental disagreement within the scientific establishment (i.e. among materialist-minded scientists) on the subject of evolution. Sure, some of these figures are 'outcasts' in the scientific community (e.g. Halton Arp), and some are/were not (Sir Fred Hoyle). This, unfortunately for the hand-wringing clowns here, has no bearing on their qualifications. Instead, it has everything to do with their being independent, refusing to toe the party line, and following the evidence where ever it may lead. Atheist astronomer Halton Arp (quoted in the book) was unjustly hounded out of his job and ended up moving to Germany to breathe the air of academic freedom. Why? He dared to point out observational evidence that contradicted the popular `Big Bang' theory of the universe. And he refused to shut up about it (his books are fascinating). Sir Fred Hoyle (also quoted in the book), who never really was an `outcast', was also a devout atheist. Despite this, he had the intellectual honesty to point out that the theory of evolution is ridiculous and unsupported by science. He was also a leading opponent of the `Big Bang'. Both of these men (and many more in the book) have/had the courage to ask honest questions about current scientific orthodoxy. Many of their questions and challenges have yet to be answered. Recently, Dr. Richard Sternberg (not quoted in the book) of the Smithsonian Institute was smeared and lied about (thanks, in part, to the NCSE), and pressured to leave his post because he allowed the publishing of a paper (on Intelligent Design) that questioned the validity of evolutionary theory. The paper passed proper peer-review and everything; no matter, the heretic must be burned! Simply put, these people will not tolerate freedom of thought or dissent from the faith IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE (as opposed to a professional forum - and many times, not even there). And they certainly don't want the common-folk reading these heretical ideas, no matter how well-grounded in observation they happen to be. While the scientific establishment and the press always present a united front to the public, this is mere illusion. Evolutionary theory and thought are far from monolithic. This is an `open secret'; many (not all) of these differences are on full display in the professional literature. One of the few things ALL of them have in common is a deep faith that, in the words of Carl Sagan, `The cosmos is all

Let the truth be known!

Before I even heard of this book, I was reading the quotes of various evolutionary "scientists". And I took them "in context". It made no difference to what they were saying. So many times, it is a matter of simply not wanting there to be a God (that implies a Judge). Some outright admit that this is the case, such as Aldous Huxley. The quotes are so out in the open and plain that "context" isn't an issue. Getting the meaning of the words of these "scientists" is not a matter of splitting hairs and interpreting in the light of context, but rather simply reading what they openly say. I have used these quotes many times when talking to evolutionists. The reaction is either "that's not what he meant" or "that isn't his field of expertise" or even "that person isn't a good scientist because he doesn't really believe in evolution". I wouldn't expect the rank and file follower of evolution to have a change of mind because of it. But, if you want this book for your own edification, that is great! And by all means use it as a resource to help others understand what many evolutionary authorities say about the theory.

Great resource for apologetics writers/speakers/researchers

This book was not neccessarily designed to be read cover to cover. It can be. Believe me, I know! I couldn't put it down, but then, I'm strange like that. Most people will probably use this book like a reference guide, to point them in the right direction for further research, or as a quick reference for refuting the fact statements that evolutionists will often throw out in leiu of actual evidence. Over all, it was a worthwhile read, and I will use it for years to come. However, my one complaint is that the references are a bit dated in places. To be truly powerful, this book has to be on the cutting edge of science, and while some references are very modern, some are forty or more years old. This is probably out of Dr. Morris's control, since moments of candid honesty from a leading evolutionist are rare.

AWESOME

I THINK I GOT IT THE FIRST TIME - AWESOM