Conversations of Socrates

by Xenophon

Book Overview

An essential text for understanding Socrates, Xenophon's Memorabilia is the compelling tribute of an affectionate student to his teacher, providing a rare firsthand account of Socrates' life and... This description may be from another edition of this product.

• Format: Paperback
• Language: English
• ISBN: 014044517X
• ISBN13: 9780140445176
• Release Date: July 1990
• Publisher: Penguin Group
• Length: 384 Pages
• Weight: 0.55 lbs.
• Dimensions: 1.0" x 5.0" x 7.7"
• Age Range: 18 years and up
• Grade Range: Postsecondary and higher

Customer Reviews

Oligarch

Nearly all those who studied Greek in high school were given a much distorted image of the Athenian (and certainly of the pedophilic Spartan) society. Who told us that the wealth of Athens was based on silver mines (the university city of Ioanina is still one of the world's biggest centers of the silver industry)? And who told us why Socrates was forced to commit suicide? One can find the answers on many questions about Greek society in Xenophon's works, the clever writer of `Hellenika' (`All Persians are educated to become a slave, except one'). In his works about Socrates, Xenophon brushes a lively picture of the `real' Socrates and explains clearly his political views: 'Where offices were filled by men who satisfied the legal requirements, he considered the constitution to be an aristocracy; where they were filled in accordance with a property qualification, a plutocracy; where they were filled by anybody, a democracy.' Socrates was an anti-democrat and defended oligarchy is his teachings. What oligarchy really meant for the majority of the Athenians, one can also read in `Hellenika'. Describing the reign of the Thirty (comprising two uncles of Plato), Xenophon states: `The oligarchs went on a killing spree murdering all democratic opponents, more Athenians than all the Peloponnesians did in ten years of war ... when people could vote, it was in full view.' Xenophon explains one of the main reasons for oligarchic rule in his rhetoric question: `if people uses its superior power to enact measures against the propertied classes, will that be violence rather than law?' Socrates was a moderate anti-democrat, not as his pupil Plato who fulminated relentlessly against the democratic beast (Gerard Koolschijn). He respected the law: `He disobeyed the illegal orders of the Thirty on the ground that what he was ordered to do was illegal.' He also was a moderate in his personal life (`to need nothing is divine'). Xenophon's works are key texts for understanding the ancient Greek society (daily life, morals, social issues, drink-parties, sex, politics). They are a must read for all those interested in human history and for all lovers of classical texts.

A Revelation

Very few extant works remain on the life of Socrates: mainly the works of Xenophon and Plato. In "Conversations of Socrates" Xenophon writes extensively on the philosophical thought of the master in a forthright and simple manner. Xenophon has not always been praised for his writing style but he covers the Socratic principles thoroughly. The subjects aren't organized particularly well with examples of Socrates' views on certain virtues scattered throughout the text. Nevertheless, since Socrates didn't write his own thoughts we are very fortunate that we have these works. Xenophon divided his works into four books: Socrates' Defense; Memoirs of Socrates; the Dinner-Party; and the Estate-Manager. Xenophon writes in the second and third person so that we "hear" the Socratic Method throughout the text. We see how Socrates used questions of his followers to teach them to think. His method thoroughly flushed out the truth and often revealed the flaws in the arguments his opponents and followers made. I thoroughly enjoyed reading Xenophon. One could almost imagine being right there with the master as he shredded the weaknesses in faulty arguments and uncovered hidden truths. His opinions on virtues may be dated to Twentieth Century people but one must remember that it was largely his teachings that had such a great influence on Western thought and ideas.

Underrated

While not as competent a writer as Plato, Xenophon's 'Socrates' is the historically more accurate (I refer to the chapter of Memoirs in this book.)The Dinner-Party was my favorite dialogue, there are also several brilliant vignettes throughout the memoir chapter. This is not to say that it doesn't 'drag' in parts, it does. The Estate-Manager, which is the last dialogue, terribly weighs down this volume; there Socrates is more a bystander than participant. But I give this 5 stars, as its an indespensible volume for the Socratic enthusiast.

A Wonderful Insight To Socrates and His Philosophies

Xenophon relates an easy-to-understand text of who Socrates was and what he taught. It includes his defence, memoirs, dinner party, and estate-manager. Truly fine reading.

Socrates can think while he speaks. He can not be compared.

Socrates conversations has to be read by anyone who wants a great thinker. A poem on Socrates life: Death, a mystery to mankind, Feared but yet accepted. Unwanted by most men except those who perceived it. Obligatory until he was overthrown, Because death to him was known. To prove the wisest of the wisest, He talked to people of the highest, Until humiliated they rebelled And cursed him to bloody hell. So he was put to court. Expected to beg and to deny, To forgive and to cry. But no, he took it all, It was not here where his character would fall. What better thing than a sleep with no wake. It was this punishment he would take. Better than the thought of the trial, Stay away from his home; exile. Courage this man had. Whatever these people didn't understand, No thought was put for there knowledge to expand. It took the highest of the pains, To make this man tame. Only to prove wrong those who didn't believe That to be wise is not to perceive. So the only precious gift from God he had to waste, he went and felt the bitter hemlock taste. Diogo Beltran Diogo Beltra